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		<title>DOJ Clears Bush Lawyers for Torture Memos</title>
		<link>http://www.luimbe.com/blog/2010/02/01/doj-clears-bush-lawyers-for-torture-memos/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 05:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Luimbe</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[politics & money]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Bush Administration]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[I missed this. For weeks, the right has heckled Attorney General Eric Holder Jr. for his plans to try the alleged 9/11 conspirators in New York City and his handling of the Christmas bombing plot suspect. Now the left is going to be upset: an upcoming Justice Department report from its ethics-watchdog unit, the Office [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I missed this.</p>
<blockquote><p>For weeks, the right has heckled Attorney General Eric Holder Jr. for his plans to try the alleged 9/11 conspirators in New York City and his handling of the Christmas bombing plot suspect. Now the left is going to be upset: an upcoming Justice Department report from its ethics-watchdog unit, the Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR), clears the Bush administration lawyers who authored the “torture” memos of professional-misconduct allegations.</p>
<p>While the probe is sharply critical of the legal reasoning used to justify waterboarding and other “enhanced” interrogation techniques, NEWSWEEK has learned that a senior Justice official who did the final review of the report softened an earlier OPR finding. Previously, the report concluded that two key authors—Jay Bybee, now a federal appellate court judge, and John Yoo, now a law professor—violated their professional obligations as lawyers when they crafted a crucial 2002 memo approving the use of harsh tactics, say two Justice sources who asked for anonymity discussing an internal matter. But the reviewer, career veteran David Margolis, downgraded that assessment to say they showed “poor judgment,” say the sources. (Under department rules, poor judgment does not constitute professional misconduct.) The shift is significant: the original finding would have triggered a referral to state bar associations for potential disciplinary action—which, in Bybee’s case, could have led to an impeachment inquiry.</p>
<p>via <a title="Justice Official Clears Bush Lawyers in Torture Memo Probe - Declassified Blog - Newsweek.com" href="http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/declassified/archive/2010/01/29/holder-under-fire.aspx" target="_blank">Justice Official Clears Bush Lawyers in Torture Memo Probe &#8211; Declassified Blog &#8211; Newsweek.com</a></p></blockquote>
<p>If this is true and as plain as Bybee and Yoo being cleared, the Obama Administration has proven that it has no interest in curbing the frightening expansion of the unitary executive as defined by Bush White House and the Holder Justice Department has proven it has feigned independence all along.</p>
<p>In addition, the fact that a 59-41 Democratic majority in the Senate means that the Senators need that same President to be their daddy to tell them where to go, before they miss every deadline, weaken the effect of every bill they write for political expediency means that there is no hope that they will pass progressive legislation making administration attorneys professionally and legally responsible for the memos they write. Even when they break the law.</p>
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		<title>Torture doesn&#8217;t work&#8230;unless a Cheney says it does</title>
		<link>http://www.luimbe.com/blog/2009/09/07/torture-doesnt-work-unless-a-cheney-says-it-does/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 23:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Luimbe</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[Ali Soufan]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Bush Administration]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Dick Cheney]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Former Vice President Dick Cheney and his daughter Liz Cheney (Fox News Channel) Ali H. Soufan, F.B.I. special agent from 1997 to 2005, writes for the New York Times: The inspector general’s report distinguishes between intelligence gained from regular interrogation and from the harsher methods, which culminate in waterboarding. While the former produces useful intelligence, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_1022" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 330px"><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,524237,00.html"><img class="size-full wp-image-1022" title="Former Vice President Dick Cheney and his daughter Liz Cheney (Fox News Channel)" src="http://www.luimbe.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/20090601_dick_liz_cheney_0.jpg" alt="Former Vice President Dick Cheney and his daughter Liz Cheney (Fox News Channel)" width="320" height="240" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Former Vice President Dick Cheney and his daughter Liz Cheney (Fox News Channel)</p></div>
<p>Ali H. Soufan, F.B.I. special agent from 1997 to 2005, writes for the New York Times:</p>
<blockquote><p>The inspector general’s report distinguishes between intelligence gained from regular interrogation and from the harsher methods, which culminate in waterboarding. While the former produces useful intelligence, according to the report, the latter “is a more subjective process and not without concern.” And the information in the two memos reinforces this differentiation.</p>
<p>They show that substantial intelligence was gained from pocket litter (materials found on detainees when they were captured), from playing detainees against one another and from detainees freely giving up information that they assumed their questioners already knew. A computer seized in March 2003 from a Qaeda operative for example, listed names of Qaeda members and money they were to receive.</p>
<p>via <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/06/opinion/06soufan.html?_r=2&amp;ref=opinion&amp;pagewanted=print">Op-Ed Contributor &#8211; What Torture Never Told Us &#8211; NYTimes.com</a>.</p></blockquote>
<p>Soufan and other experts keep asserting, with mounting proof, that conventional interrogation of terror suspects produced all intelligence needed to thwart terrorism and Bush Administration approved torture was a collection of brutal, criminal, non-productive methods used to personally destroy those suspected of being terrorists. The Cheney <a title="Big Surprise: Torture Memos Belie Cheney's Claims | TPMMuckraker" href="http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/big_surprise_torture_memos_belie_cheneys_claims.php" target="_blank">Daddy</a> and <a title="Liz Cheney can't handle the truth | Salon News" href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/08/31/big_liar/" target="_blank">Daughter</a> team continue to lie and yet are never called to respond to facts. Even when they are, they lie or deflect. Just like the run up to Iraq war, talking heads sit idly by them and nod approvingly.</p>
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		<title>2004 CIA Torture Report Fallout: Power Shuffle</title>
		<link>http://www.luimbe.com/blog/2009/08/25/2004-cia-torture-report-fallout-power-shuffle/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Luimbe</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Administration reactions to the Office Of The Inspector General&#8217;s report on CIA Counterterrorism Detention and Interrogation Activities: [The Obama Administration] wrested control of future interrogations of suspected senior al-Qaeda members away from the CIA and handed it to an interagency group that will be housed at the FBI &#8212; whose agents had not only objected [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Administration reactions to the <a title="CIA Counterterrorism Detention and Interrogation Activities" href="http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/documents/cia_oig_report.pdf?hpid=topnews" target="_blank">Office Of The Inspector General&#8217;s report on CIA Counterterrorism Detention and Interrogation Activities</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>[The Obama Administration] wrested control of future interrogations of suspected senior al-Qaeda members away from the CIA and handed it to an interagency group that will be housed at the FBI &#8212; whose agents had not only objected to the CIA&#8217;s techniques but also refused to stay in the rooms where they were practiced.</p>
<p>[...]</p>
<p>Obama and his aides, in contrast, have concluded that the benefits of the harsh interrogation program were unproven or slight, and that the costs to America&#8217;s standing in the world exceed any potential gains from allowing it to persist.</p>
<p>via <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/24/AR2009082403294_pf.html">Analysis: Bush, Obama Administrations Drew Different Lessons From CIA Report</a>.</p></blockquote>
<p>Accoording to the report FBI agents refused to partake in torture. It is fairly safe to conclude that the CIA agents tortured because they felt they were covered by permission slips from <a title="OLC to Office Asst. AG - Re: Standards of Conduct for Interrogation under 18 USC 2340-2340A" href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/cheney/torture_memo_aug2002.pdf" target="_blank">Jay Bybee</a> and <a title="Bush's own set of laws | Salon News" href="http://www.salon.com/news/primary_sources/2009/03/03/bushmemos/index.html" target="_blank">John Yoo</a> and they were &#8220;just following orders&#8221;. CIA interrogators were effectively ordered to operate as if they were above the law.</p>
<p>The new <a title="Obama  Approves New Team to Question Terror Suspects" href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/24/AR2009082401133.html?hpid=topnews" target="_blank">interagency interrogation team</a>, overseen by the National Security Council and housed at  the FBI, seems to be organized to empower the professionals who honored the rule of law and signal Obama&#8217;s distrust of the current CIA&#8217;s ability to do the same.</p>
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		<title>Jack Bauer Mentality</title>
		<link>http://www.luimbe.com/blog/2009/08/02/jack-bauer-mentality/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Luimbe</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We just love us some torture. Surprisingly, democracies are not necessarily more hostile to the practice than non-democracies. According to the polls, Americans are more willing to tolerate the use of torture than are Chinese. via Attitudes to torture: Tolerating abuse &#124; The Economist. [h/t The Daily Dish]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We just love us some torture.</p>
<blockquote><p>Surprisingly, democracies are not necessarily more hostile to the practice than non-democracies. According to the polls, Americans are more willing to tolerate the use of torture than are Chinese.</p>
<p>via <a href="http://www.economist.com/daily/chartgallery/displayStory.cfm?story_id=14120009">Attitudes to torture: Tolerating abuse | The Economist</a>.</p>
<p>[h/t The Daily Dish]</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Hiding or Cleaning up Bush&#8217;s Mess</title>
		<link>http://www.luimbe.com/blog/2009/07/30/hiding-or-cleaning-up-bushs-mess/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Luimbe</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Obama Administration seems like it will be putting out fires started by the Bush Administration&#8217;s disregard for international law, our allies&#8217; law and our constitution well into the future. Being that then Senator Clinton voted for the Iraq War and Senators Clinton &#038; Obama voted for reauthorization of the Patriot Act, they reap what [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Obama Administration seems like it will be putting out fires started by the Bush Administration&#8217;s disregard for international law, our allies&#8217; law and our constitution well into the future. Being that then Senator Clinton voted for the Iraq War and Senators Clinton &#038; Obama voted for reauthorization of the Patriot Act, they reap what they sow. They are pushing the UK to sit on evidence regarding a Guantanamo detainee. The secrecy makes it worse. If the information has not been revealed now, the Obama Administration shows its more comfortable with authoritarian secrecy than they claim.</p>
<blockquote><p>Hillary Clinton, the US Secretary of State, warned David Miliband that America would consider cutting security co-operation with the UK if a British court releases information about a former Guantanamo Bay detainee, two judges have been told.</p>
<p>via <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5934016/Hillary-Clinton-made-security-help-threat-to-David-Miliband-over-Binyam-Mohamed-case.html">Hillary Clinton made security help &#8216;threat&#8217; to David Miliband over Binyam Mohamed case  &#8211; Telegraph</a>.</p></blockquote>
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