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		<title>The Bold &amp; Courageous: Paul Ryan&#8217;s velvet rope town halls</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 19:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Imagine if you had to pay 15 dollars to hear your congressman speak. (sorry, 15 bones includes a hot lunch!) Somehow a ticket holder is arrested for &#8220;trespassing&#8221; : Sgt. David Patrick of the Greenfield, Wis., police department told POLITICO the three people arrested were issued municipal citations. Two of the three were cited for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine if you had to pay 15 dollars to hear your congressman speak. (sorry, 15 bones includes a hot lunch!)</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Somehow a ticket holder is arrested for &#8220;trespassing&#8221; :</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Sgt. David Patrick of the Greenfield, Wis., police department told POLITICO the three people arrested were issued municipal citations. Two of the three were cited for trespassing and fined $429. The third was cited for trespassing and resisting arrest and fined $681, Patrick said.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Ryan told local <a href="http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/129341328.html" target="_blank">NBC affiliate WTMJ-TV</a> that “protests are a thing that are going to be here to stay, I think.”</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Along with Ryan, Reps. Lou Barletta (R-Pa.), Renee Ellmers (R-N.C.) and Ben Quayle (R-Ariz.) <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61554.html" target="_blank">appeared before paying crowds</a> during the recess but did not hold free town hall events.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">via <a title="Arrests at Paul Ryan's 'town hall' event - Reid J. Epstein - POLITICO.com" href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/62815.html" target="_blank">Arrests at Paul Ryan&#8217;s &#8216;town hall&#8217; event &#8211; Reid J. Epstein &#8211; POLITICO.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>Eric Cantor has a health care solution</title>
		<link>http://www.luimbe.com/blog/2009/09/24/eric-cantor-has-a-health-care-solution/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A constituent asked Cantor about her friend who: worked for years and owns a home and is inelligible for government assistance had employer based health care that disappeared with her termination shortly thereafter was diagnosed with tumors in her stomach that need to be treated immediately. Cantor&#8217;s Health Care Solution: Oh my, did you lose your [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A constituent asked Cantor about her friend who:</p>
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<li>shortly thereafter was diagnosed with tumors in her stomach that need to be treated immediately.</li>
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<p>Cantor&#8217;s Health Care Solution: Oh my, did you lose your employer funded insurance? There&#8217;s probably a government program out there you don&#8217;t know about that can help you, if not some charity may hook you up.</p>
<p>The minority whip dodged the question, pure and simple. It betrays the real stance of most GOP legislators at this time. They have not engaged in any real policy thought regarding health care. Health care is a personal, business and quality of life issue. It affects every segment of our society and if a legislator has nothing besides &#8220;tort reform&#8221; to offer as a health care solution then they are not serious about their duties.</p>
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		<title>Barney Frank&#8217;s Got Jokes.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He did go off on her. Deservedly so.</p>
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		<title>Town Hall Crazy Miller ain&#8217;t That Crazy</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Craig Miller is one of the Health Care Town Hall constituents who was just driven so CRAZY by the socialism that he had to be one of the folks who confronted Arlen Specter in Lebanon, PA. He actually wanted to deliver a list of ways he believes President Obama has broken his oath. Like appointing [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig Miller is one of the Health Care Town Hall constituents who was just driven so CRAZY by the <em>socialism </em> that he had to be one of the folks who confronted Arlen Specter in Lebanon, PA. He actually wanted to deliver a list of ways he believes President Obama has broken his oath. Like appointing a car czar, or ah&#8230;some other things like having Jay-Z on his iPod. He is anti-Democrat. On morning meeting he listed the politicians he doesn&#8217;t trust. A sampling: Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank and oh yea&#8230;anyone else with a D by their name on a ballot.</p>
<p>But, I am writing about this constituent twice, unfortunately, because this hero, a stalwart and principled <em>anti-socialist</em>, <em>anti-marxist</em>, <em>black radical</em> exposer apparently collects disability checks from the same government he doesn&#8217;t trust to reform health care or to run any government agency, except the Social Security Administration. They are OK. Guess he is only hopping mad until that check from the Social Security Administration pops up in his mailbox. Here he is being interviewed by Dylan Ratigan on MSNBC&#8217;s Morning Meeting:</p>
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<p>He can&#8217;t be that crazy because he understands one simple logical rule: when you get a check in the mail, you cash it. Or maybe, that&#8217;s just the Marxist magic that the Democrats use to confuse us: the socialist policy that pays out..it just <em>feels</em> so so damn free market.</p>
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		<title>Obama Team was Suprised? Not buying it.</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;And Democratic Party officials enlisted in the fight by the White House acknowledged in interviews that the growing intensity of the opposition to the president’s health care plans — within the last week likened on talk radio to something out of Hitler’s Germany, lampooned by protesters at Congressional town-hall-style meetings and vilified in television commercials [...]]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>&#8220;And Democratic Party officials enlisted in the fight by the White House acknowledged in interviews that the growing intensity of the opposition to the president’s health care plans — within the last week likened on talk radio to something out of Hitler’s Germany, lampooned by protesters at Congressional town-hall-style meetings and vilified in television commercials — had caught them off guard and forced them to begin an August counteroffensive.&#8221;</p>
<p>via <a href="http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/americandebate/We_were_a_little_surprised.html">&#8220;We were a little surprised&#8221; | Philadelphia Inquirer | 08/11/2009</a> [c/o <a title="Obama Team Say They were Caught Of Guard by Right-Wing Healthcare Tsunami" href="http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/obama-team-say-they-were-caught-guard" target="_blank">Susie Madrak of CrooksAndLiars.com</a>].</p></blockquote>
<p>Many folks left of center are handwringing about Obama&#8217;s Administration &#8220;over learning&#8221; from the Clinton White House mistakes. Those on the right are gleefully happy that Obama had let the debate be pulled into, what they feel, is a leftist ideas graveyard by the &#8220;evil&#8221; Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and the wicked Senator Harry Reid (D-NV). Now this may be the new theme: the insurance industry and drug companies end around lobbying has fooled poor naive Obama and his hapless administration.</p>
<p>I doubt the genuineness of this surprise expressed by an official in the President&#8217;s White House or rather that the entire team is stunned. Rather, I think the Obama White House is letting the crazies open their mouths and prove their craziness. Obama likes to draw out the over aggressive. Let them ramble, anounce and bluster. Obama believes the arrogant big mouths and short sighted ideologues will always state their positions with absolute certainty of a &#8220;you always&#8221; accusation and &#8220;I never&#8221; virtue, all the while draping themselves with political tethers. </p>
<p>Far right ideologues lament the coming socialist state and that he must be stopped. Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin says things like Obama&#8217;s health care bill, which doesn&#8217;t exist, will use a  <a href="http://www.adn.com/3437/story/894905.html">&#8220;Death Panel&#8221;</a> to determine that toddlers with Down Syndrome must die, immediately. The Media, for once, brushed her aside. Even then, the media fails to expose the simultaneous silliness and cynicism of Palin&#8217;s dog whistle attacks. While she says Obama-care will kill your less than A+ kids, at the time of her resignation, Alaska was actually the worst in the nation at administering health care for the elderly and those with disabilities:</p>
<blockquote><p>State programs intended to help disabled and elderly Alaskans with daily life &#8212; taking a bath, eating dinner, getting to the bathroom &#8212; are so poorly managed, the state cannot assure the health and well-being of the people they are supposed to serve, a new federal review found.<br />
The situation is so bad the federal government has forbidden the state to sign up new people until the state makes necessary improvements.</p>
<p>No other state in the nation is under such a moratorium, according to a spokeswoman for the federal Centers for Medicare &#038; Medicaid Services.<br />
via <a href="http://www.adn.com/life/health/v-printer/story/864670.html">Troubled Alaska health programs face federal restriction | Anchorage Daily News | LISA DEMER</a>
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<p>The town hall screamers, mostly just a bunch of angry old folks, many of them jump right on past health care issues and attack Obama&#8217;s  legitimacy.   What about these new 15 minute fame flames, the town hall screamers? One requested that her GOP congressman keep &#8220;government hands off&#8221; off her Medicare. Another, while being allowed in front of Specter to speak said Specter was <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/11/crowds-get-rough-and-rowd_n_256475.html">denying them the right to speak</a>. Another asserted that he was sure, the IRS under Obama care will collect data from all citizens on behalf of said government (as if the Bush administration didn&#8217;t already authorize and do that when they rolled up <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/11/17/tech/main250547.shtml">Carnivore </a>into the big brother bill to watch us all, the Patriot Act). </p>
<p>The <a href="http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/steele-palins-talk-of-a-death-panel-is-perfectly-appropriate.php">Michael Steele&#8217;s</a> and Dick Armey&#8217;s of the world see this fervor and these quotes and they probably think: let&#8217;s throw some party and lobbyist resources at these folks and encourage more people to show up at town halls and be mad as hell for no reason under the sun. More wood on the fire. And I think Obama is fine with that. Beltway GOP congressmen assert that Obama has gone too far and the American people are all happy with their healthcare because they see 15 Pennsylvanians from a conservative small rural town of Lebanon taking their turns screaming at Sen. Arlen Specter (D-PA). </p>
<p>The more the crazies talk, and throw out specific, yet false statements about the direction health care is going, the easier it is for Democrats to defend the abstract legislative process that is actually taking place. Obama aww shucks these anecdotal diatribes and uses these sound bite screeds as a straw man in his health care town halls and interviews. Without any serious and principled opposition or alternative from the GOP, the Democrats in the Senate do have cover to get whatever they can pass in the senate and then get it to Obama&#8217;s desk.</p>
<p>I doubt the White House is surprised. In 1994, a bill couldn&#8217;t even get out of either House of Congress. Today, Pelosi was able to do what then Speaker Dick Gephardt couldn&#8217;t and the White House is essentially waiting for Senate Finance Committee to deliver a version that is palpable to blue dogs so that everything can be voted on, negotiated in conference committee and delivered to Obama&#8217;s desk. Many lefties, including me in some aspects are not 100% pleased with the process, but that&#8217;s how democracy is.  Even then, this is a reform start:</p>
<blockquote><p>Many people, including Ezra Klein and Matthew Yglesias and Kevin Drum, think these bills do some of the most important things of all in fixing the American health insurance system. Namely, they ensure that every insurance plan has to accept everyone at the same premiums regardless of prior health, that you can’t be kicked out of a plan for getting sick (or old, or anything), and that you can’t have a lifetime cap on payments.  Universal community rating is probably the single most important reform of all, as it removes private insurers’ perverse incentives to make money by denying coverage to sick people.</p>
<p>via <a href="http://trueslant.com/matthewsteinglass/2009/08/11/that-slope-just-aint-very-slippery/">Matt Steinglass &#8211; Accumulating Peripherals   –  That slope just ain’t very slippery &#8211; True/Slant</a>.
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<p>It don&#8217;t think its gonna be universal or single payer, but there will be some base improvements. 2009 is not 1994.</p>
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		<title>Specter Lets a Blow Hard Blow Out</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of my state&#8217;s Senators, Arlen Specter, was approached at a town hall in Lebanon, PA (near my hometown of Harrisburg, Pa) by a constituent who was angry about&#8230;well, I don&#8217;t know what about. I am not just being a snide jerk about that either, I really can&#8217;t tell because the screaming citizen, Craig Anthony [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my state&#8217;s Senators, Arlen Specter, was approached at a town hall in Lebanon, PA (near my hometown of Harrisburg, Pa) by a constituent who was angry about&#8230;well, I don&#8217;t know what about. I am not just being a snide jerk about that either, I really can&#8217;t tell because the screaming citizen, Craig Anthony Miller, really is just scolding Arlen Specter. At the top of his lungs for not being allowed to speak at the town hall which he was allowed to speak at. Specter just lets him yell, and gets back to business.<br />
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<p>Instead of letting them chant, each congressperson who deals with this nonsense should calmly request that each on of them get the microphone. They will most likely scream like this while<br />
spouting nonsense. Keep calm, stare them in the eye, respond with talking points or a punchline such as Specter did: &#8220;okay, okay, we just had a demonstration of Democracy&#8221;. Keep it moving. They are just showing up to scream, holler and disrupt. Not to discuss, debate and progress any kind of health care reform.</p>
<p><a href="http://thepage.time.com/halperins-take-why-everything-about-the-health-care-mobs-is-a-national-disgrace/" title="HALPERIN'S TAKE: WHY EVERYTHING ABOUT THE HEALTH CARE MOBS IS A NATIONAL DISGRACE">The Page&#8217;s Mark Halperin</a> thinks its a disgrace that people are showing up and getting attention on TV by screaming, chanting and aren&#8217;t politely sitting with their hands folded, waiting their turn to read their rebuttals to the latest HR resolution or Finance Committee positions. I disagree, these disruptions are fine with me. Its free speech, annoying, but free. I want these people to get the microphone early, so they can freely ramble like Mr. Miller and prove themselves to be concerned about something other than health care. Then let other people speak up. Its an inconvenience, but some real change isn&#8217;t easy.</p>
<p>Jay-Z&#8217;s line on from the Takeover on <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Blueprint-Jay-Z/dp/B00005O54T" title="Amazon.com - Jay-Z - The Blueprint">The Blueprint</a> sums it up best:</p>
<blockquote><p> A wise man told me don&#8217;t argue with fools<br />
Cause people from a distance can&#8217;t tell who is who</p></blockquote>
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